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I am a big fan of getting together with a bunch of theologically-minded guys and spending a few hours together now and then talking about what we have been reading, working through issues that come up in our ministry, or mulling over big questions we have been asking and wrestling with. The preferred setting for this is a pub or coffeeshop, although I'm also perfectly happy to do so while working under the hood of a car, or walking down a city street, or sitting in my living room.

John Stott wished for this sort of thing as well, as a means for ministers to keep their minds sharp and to build each other up. He writes of this being a good practice with a proven historical track record in his book, Between Two Worlds:

I often find myself wishing that local clergy gatherings, whether denominational or interdenominational, could be more effective in stimulating thought. When we meet, we are no doubt obliged to transact some business, but we could also encourage one another in study. The second half of the eighteenth century was the great time for the founding of societies for English clergy, especially evangelicals. The first was Samuel Walker's 'Clerical Club' in Truro (c. 1750), whose purpose was to 'strengthen each other's hands in the work of the Lord'. During the following years about ten others arose in different parts of the country. 'Why may we not meet to pray, when others meet to play at the bowls?' asked Thomas Robinson of Leicester. 'Why may we not have deliberative assemblies, when others of our brethern have their dancing and drinking assemblies? Why may we not seek to edify each other, whilst they care not if they corrupt one another?' The most famous and influential of these clubs was the Eclectic Society, founded in 1783 by John Newton, ex-sea captain and slave trader, but at that time Rector of St Mary Woolnoth in the city of London, and his friends. They met every other Monday. 'We begin with tea,' wrote Newton (the teapot is preserved in the Church Missionary House in London); 'then a short prayer introduces a conversation for about three hours upon a proposed subject, and we seldom flag.' He added that the group deserved to be called the Royal Society since 'I trust the members are all of the royal family, and the King Himself condescends to meet with us.' (190)

Not mentioned in Stott's list is the 'White Horse Inn' of Cambridge, or even Martin Luther's frequent practice of having students over to his home for dinner and home-brewed beer to talk about all kinds of different issues; undoubtedly there are many more groups like these. This sort of thing is, I think, a very healthy practice and worth engaging in on a regular basis. Blogging, of course, is one outlet for me to work through all kinds of things I read and think about and questions I am working through, but I would never substitute it entirely for face-to-face conversation with friends, colleagues and mentors. That kind of interaction is invaluable.

So, who'd like to go get a drink or a cup of coffee?

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Jul 21, 2010
Mark said...
I wish I was closer as I'd love to take advantage of a group like this. Instead, I'll just have to keep soaking in the wisdom that folks like you are sharing on their blogs and podcasts.

Mark

Jul 21, 2010
dave b said...
we have "pipe club" over here which is really just an excuse to get together about once a week to discuss big questions (and sometime little ones too!). if you are ever in our part of the world you would be most welcome (you don't have to smoke to participate!)!
Jul 21, 2010
Jake Belder said...
Mark, up until this point I've only done this sporadically with folks, not at all with regularity. However, I just joined a group that plans to be doing this more frequently (only to be moving in a few months...)

Dave, I hope to be able to take you up on that offer sometime soon!

Jul 21, 2010
dave b said...
incidentally, I just read about your future plans. Congrats. you do realize we'll still be 180 some-odd miles away (about 4hr drive)....not to mention that developments might be moving us to the other side of the Atlantic shortly after you plan on arriving on British soil! but as I say you'd be welcome down here and would hit it off well, I think, with my mates here!
Jul 29, 2010
Trevor Hamaker said...
There is such value in the type of get-together you're describing. Unfortunately, every time I have asked area youth pastors to take part in such conversations, they always decline because those types of discussions (theology, world issues, etc.) take a backseat to their urgent tasks of planning games for Sunday morning. So much the worse for the students in those ministries.

Also, in the early days of the United States of America there was a group called "The Club of Honest Whigs." In his book "The Invention of Air," Steven Johnson describes the group's practice:
"On alternating Thursdays, a gang of free thinkers – eventually dubbed 'The Club of Honest Whigs' by one of its founding members, Benjamin Franklin – met at a coffeehouse, embarking each fortnight on a long, rambling session that has no equivalent in modern scientific culture. (The late-night bender at an industry conference probably comes closest: the sharing of essential, potentially lucrative information while stimulated by the chemical cocktail of caffeine, alcohol, and nicotine.) Boswell visited the 'Honest Whigs' on occasion, and he had this to say of the experience: It consists of clergymen, physicians and some other professions … we have wine and punch upon the table. Some of us smoke a pipe, conversation goes on pretty formally, sometimes sensibly and sometimes furiously: At nine there is a sideboard with Welsh rabbits and apple-puffs, porter and beer" (pp. 17-18).

Truth be told, we all need a group like that.

Jul 29, 2010
Jake Belder said...
Trevor, thanks for the comment. It's unfortunate to hear that you have a tough time getting folks together to talk about these sorts of things. As someone who has not had an extensive background with youth ministry, I usually hesitate to make any comments on it, but you've pointed out one of my particular concerns with it – it often becomes all about having fun rather than spiritual formation.

I hope that you can eventually get these other leaders to come around and join you for some good conversation, and hopefully if they engage in it, they'll see the benefit of it.

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